CNBC Unique: CNBC Transcript: Lance Armstrong Speaks with CNBC‘s Andrew Ross Sorkin
WHEN: Interview airing at the moment, Thursday, December 6, 2018
WHERE: CNBC’s “Squawk Box”
The next is the unofficial transcript of a CNBC EXCLUSIVE interview with Lance Armstrong and CNBC’s Andrew Ross Sorkin on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” (M-F 6AM – 9AM) at the moment, Thursday, December sixth. The next are hyperlinks to video from the interview on CNBC.com:
Lance Armstrong on escaping a $100 million lawsuit and Uber
Lance Armstrong speaks out on his drug scandal, Phil Knight and Thom Weisel
All references have to be sourced to CNBC.
LANCE ARMSTRONG ON LYING:
LANCE ARMSTRONG: I feel in case you polled the world, the primary problem, doping within the sport of biking, at that era, I feel most individuals now have sufficient historical past and sufficient information to know that, gosh, it seemed like– it seemed like everyone did it. That isn’t the difficulty for individuals. The difficulty is how I so aggressively defended myself, being litigious, going after individuals. That’s the factor.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Mendacity.
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Properly, yeah. However all of us lied. I imply, in no level have been you simply gonna say, “Oh, you know what? I’m, kind of, sick of lying. I’m gonna tell you the truth.” However, in fact there have been lies. However even then, individuals– this notion or this concept of bullying is a horrible. Look, I imply, I say it on a regular basis. I imply, if I noticed my– if– once I watch previous clips, as a result of I get to observe them both by way of lawsuits or simply no matter– the best way I acted, if I noticed one among my youngsters act that approach, I imply, it will be– it will be a really tough dialog.
LANCE ARMSTRONG ON DONALD TRUMP:
ANDRW ROSS SORKIN: Donald Trump earlier than he was president, I don’t know for those who noticed this, the night time after or the morning after wrote, “Lance Armstrong did himself great harm last night. Lawsuits and failure will follow him.” Did you see that?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: I did see it. Yeah.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: What did you assume whenever you noticed that?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Properly, pay attention, you need to keep in mind. I imply, that is six years in the past. So he was simply– Donald Trump was only a loudmouth, you understand, out making an attempt to get consideration. And that was in a sea of– there have been– I don’t assume there have been hundreds of thousands of these, however there have been tens of hundreds of these. And so he was simply one other individual. Now he’s our president– one way or the other. And, no matter. I imply, he– he’s– he’s proper. He’s half proper. “He’s gonna cost himself a lot of money.” Proper? We all know that occurred. So he acquired– he obtained—and, “a lifetime of failure.” Properly– I don’t know who judges individuals’s lifetimes, whether or not or not they’re failures or successes or simply okay. However I don’t really feel like a failure. And I’ve by no means felt like a failure since then. And so– however sure, I learn that on the time. And he was half proper. He obtained a 50.
LANCE ARMSTRONG ON TRUST / NEXT VENTŪRES:
LANCE ARMSTRONG: There’s been people who we ask for a gathering they usually simply don’t reply. So it’s a must to assume that’s what they’re considering. Proper? “I don’t want this association. I can’t trust this guy.” And by the best way, truthful play. I perceive. I’m not gonna be upset or bitter about that. You have got each proper. And fairly frankly, perhaps you need to really feel that method.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: What do you assume you now have to do to show your self as an investor?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Look– I consider that we’re uniquely positioned as a result of we get early appears at issues– we won’t be fooled on the product aspect. I simply don’t consider that anyone at NEXT VENTŪRES shall be fooled. As a result of it– that is our world, and it’s not as if we will– we’ve got to guess, proper? If it’s any product, we check it. We be sure that it really works. So, you’ve got– to us, there’s actually three issues: there’s the product aspect, which might– we expect we’ll bat a thousand on, there’s the individuals aspect, which we wish to assume that we will decide good individuals, and other people that may lead nice corporations, after which there’s the story, proper, it’s how they inform their story; whether or not it’s by means of their very own advertising, their very own branding, their very own packaging. That may simply be fastened, proper? That’s the simplest of the three. The individuals, just a little harder to repair. The product, if it sucks, then we will’t begin.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Is there any product you assume you missed? Which means, a enterprise the place you appeared– checked out it in your area and thought, “I don’t think that’s gonna work?” After which, a yr or two later stated, “Man, it– that worked way better than I expected?”
LANCE ARMSTRONG: — If the founding father of Peloton got here to me 5 years in the past with that concept, I in all probability would’ve stated, “Buddy, you’re crazy.”
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Peloton? You didn’t assume that was gonna work?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Nicely, I imply, I– I didn’t– I– I by no means actually considered it, however– if I put myself in that place 5 years in the past, I– I might’ve thought, “Boy, I don’t know.” I imply, partly as a result of I– I can’t see myself doing that. Like, I couldn’t see myself– I don’t assume I’m their goal shopper however– or buyer. However I in all probability would’ve handed.
LANCE ARMSTRONG ON NIKE:
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Whether or not or not I might do it another time, what I might fairly do is return and win seven in a row towards everyone else that’s consuming water and consuming bread. That’s what I might need. And I consider that that may occur. And in order that isn’t what– that isn’t what acquired me to this place.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Proper.
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Even when I did all that and I used to be a gentleman and I had class and I had dignity and I handled individuals with respect, they might’ve let me off. No one would’ve come after me. It was straightforward.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: You realize, in your ebook, you speak about how EPO saved your life. And I used to be all the time curious in case you ever thought concerning the irony of the truth that EPO saved your life, but in addition might have been, at the very least professionally, your undoing.
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Proper. I insist it was– it was the best way I acted. That was my undoing.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Do you assume there’s a double commonplace between the best way you have got been handled and the best way different athletes have been handled and accepted again into their sport and and society? I’m considering of A-Rod–
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Yeah.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: –for instance.
LANCE ARMSTRONG: I do know who you’re fascinated by. I give it some thought on a regular basis. I do assume there’s a double normal. However– however I’m okay with it. A-Rod didn’t– A-Rod didn’t increase half a billion dollars and attempt to save a bunch of individuals’s lives. I imply, that’s, sort of, the irony on this. However, A-Rod was a baseball participant. And so the– this story and what I’m getting at is that this story meant a lot extra to each– to society. Proper? And look, it’s nice when someone hits homeruns and you understand, perhaps does an occasion right here and there for the Women and Boys Membership. However this story held a spot in individuals’s hearts and minds that was means past these guys.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: What concerning the sponsors? So one of many issues that I’ve been fascinated by is Nike stood by Tiger Woods via his personal issues. Totally different issues. Nike didn’t stand by you.
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Proper. As a result of I had a lifetime ban. If what occurred to Tiger the subsequent day, they stated, “Hey, buddy. I’m sorry, but we’re taking all the golf clubs. You can never hit a ball every again on TV, in a tournament, ever.” They might not have stood by him. I promise you.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Philip Knight, founding father of Nike, was a terrific defender of Lance Armstrong. Did you ever have a dialog with him in any case this occurred about this?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: So Phil’s been, fascinating. He’s been an excellent pal. And I’ve no affiliation with Nike. I don’t put on the product, ever, I imply. However Phil has maintained — he’s continued to be an excellent pal. I see him yearly. We have now lunch once I see him. We don’t essentially speak about this. I imply, I feel he has his views on it. And at that time, it didn’t actually matter what– I imply, Phil is the founding father of Nike and the – actually the spirit behind it. But when Mark Parker, the CEO and the CMO and all of the– you realize, the board says, “He’s out,” it doesn’t matter what Phil thinks.
LANCE ARMSTRONG ON THOM WEISEL:
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Thom’s an fascinating man. And I’m not right here to inform on individuals or throw them beneath the bus. However yeah, Thom hasn’t been trustworthy.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Was he complicit–
LANCE ARMSTRONG: In fact.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: –on this?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: We’ll depart it at that. He simply wasn’t– he wasn’t– he hasn’t been trustworthy with the press. He wasn’t trustworthy in his deposition within the postal case. He’s simply not– he’s simply not trustworthy. However—
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: What number of different individuals do you set in that class?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Only a few. Only a few. He– he’s, sort of, the yellow jersey in terms of this.
LANCE ARMSTRONG ON USPS:
LANCE ARMSTRONG: I didn’t assume I acquired off scot-free as a result of the settlement with them for 5 was in all probability the tenth settlement. You realize, there was– there have been all of those instances and the workforce, unbeknownst to me, had insured most of my pay and most of my bonuses. I knew about one of many insurance coverage corporations. However then they only began coming in. It was like, “Who are you?” So internet/internet, I imply, if you– like, that is gonna shock you. However, you already know, when you complete up all of it. So lack of assured revenue, authorized charges and settlements, it got here to 111 million bucks. So, you recognize, I didn’t really feel like I received off straightforward.
LANCE ARMSTRONG ON UBER:
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Once I met Chris Sacca, he was– I consider he was at both Google or Twitter. And, you already know– you realize Sacca’s character. Bigger than life and we have been having enjoyable and we stored in contact. After which some years later, in all probability round ’08 or ’09, he left to start out his personal enterprise capital fund referred to as Lowercase Capital. And he referred to as me and stated, “Looking for investors. Would you invest?” And I’m considering to myself, “This guy has a huge personality, but he’s also very smart and very well-connected. Why not?” So I invested in Chris Sacca. I didn’t even know that he did Uber. I assumed he was shopping for up a bunch of Twitter shares from staff or former staff and the most important funding in Lowercase fund one was Uber.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: How w–
LANCE ARMSTRONG: At a valuation of three.7 million.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: How a lot cash did you give him?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: 100,000 bucks.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: How a lot is that—
LANCE ARMSTRONG: It’s—
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: –100,000 value right now?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: It’s much more.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: What are we speaking? Ballpark.
LANCE ARMSTRONG: No. No. I imply, it’s too good to be true.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Ten, 20, 30, 40, $50 million?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: It’s a type of. It’s quite a bit. It’s so much. It’s saved our household.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: So at this time, how a lot do you comply with the travails or success, relying on the day, of Uber?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Very intently. Very, very intently.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: Have you learnt Travis Kalanick?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Just a little bit. Truly, Chris Sacca introduced him to one of many excursions.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: What did you assume when he was ousted?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: God. It’s straightforward to say, as a result of in hindsight, I feel Dara’s achieved an amazing job. And, you realize, what they’re poised to do is fairly spectacular. I can’t like that. Proper? I imply, I used to be that man. That’s– Travis and Uber is Lance and Livestrong. Proper? Is there not some hybrid answer right here? You’re uncontrolled. Timeout. However, once more, in hindsight, they haven’t missed a beat. And so, I truly fear about Travis. I imply, I’ll e-mail him typically, you realize, as a result of he’ll say issues and I’m like, “Dude, I’ve seen this movie. It’s got a real s*** ending.” And so– in fact, his ending has numerous zeros on it. However, no, you’ll be able to’t query their choice now.
ANDREW ROSS SORKIN: However you noticed your self in him?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: Sure, within the sense that he was– and I get it, man. I get that you simply– that is your child and also you wanna struggle for it and also you wanna shield it and you’ll do something, say something, do something, go anyplace, confront anyone. And at the present time, you simply — in 2018, you’ll be able to’t.